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So this last semester, I took an English class where we evaluated and applied different literary theories to literature. Yeah, I know what you're thinking: "WHY AM I READING THIS?" Well, I'll tell you why: it's because I put Danny Phantom in the title. (Or at least, I HOPE that's why... XD) So yes, Danny Phantom DOES have something to do with this, I promise!

In any case, one of the theories we talked about was Psychoanalytic theory, and part of that theory had to do with Freudian theory, more specifically. Now, I've never officially studied Freud, but we got around to talking about the Id, Ego, and Superego, and we also happened to talk about heroes, antagonists, protagonists, and all of that... We talked about why we might feel more inclined to sympathize with the hero.

That made me wonder: is the hero more often the Id, the Ego, or the Superego? Now, for those of you who are not familiar with Freudian terms, this is the breakdown:

According to Freud, there are three basic "elements" that make up the human psyche: the Id, the Ego, and the Superego.

*** Id: Unorganized; it contains all the base impulsiveness and "on-a-whim" desires

*** Superego: Works in contrast to the Id; is the "conscience" we think of that is purely logical, focuses on goals, entirely organized

*** Ego: Self-awareness; acts as the balance between the Id and the Superego (meaning, it regulates between the two)


So what does all this have to do with Danny Phantom?



Well, in thinking in terms of this psychological trio, I've realized that ALMOST EVERY HEROIC TALE has a group of three heroes. Of course, there is always one main hero, but the other two are just as important. I realized that this may be our way of assigning the characters to the roles of Id, Ego, and Superego, so that we feel there is a balance within the story, as well as within the hero group.

Of course I, being the ever over-analyzing English major that I am, began thinking about the trio in Danny Phantom, and suddenly it all clicked. Tucker was the Id, Sam was the Superego, and Danny was the Ego.

Proof? You say you want proof? All right then, I'll give it to you!


First, we'll start with Tucker. When Danny and Tucker are sitting in Lancer's office, Lancer is reading off the list of the boys' offenses. While Danny's are "not severe mischief", Tucker's involve "chronic tardiness and repeated loitering by the girl's locker room", to which the boy then gives a mischievous glance toward the camera. Additionally, Tucker is constantly referring to himself in contradictory ways, such as being smart, well-dressed, and (ironically) modest, even though he is not. Also important is his relationship with meat. He is strictly a meat-eater, and even says that he's never eaten a vegetable in his life. He is so set in one way, and it is interesting to me that it WOULD be meat, which almost speaks to me of the carnivore nature. In nature, lions and other carnivores truly seem to use their impulses to catch their prey, which is usually meat, and in this way, we might make some correlation between these natural impulses, and Tucker's own.

Second is Sam. Sam is an ultra-recyclo-vegetarian, which means that she doesn't eat any meat whatsoever. She constantly seems to be thinking in activist ways, such as in the episode "Splitting Images" when she tries to get the school to use mechanical frogs for dissection instead of real ones. She uses rationale, and typically, vegetarians must be very careful about what they eat, and whether or not it has animal by-products in it. Additionally, we see in "Prisoners of Love" that while Tucker is fooling around on his PDA, Danny makes Sam promise that she'll be the one to monitor the webcam when Danny goes in to explore the Ghost Zone. In some ways, she is definitely the more logical of the group, and especially in the ways that she works to get what she wants, that she has this sense of over-consciousness. By that, I mean that she seems to be hyper-aware of issues around her, and even the fact that she has chosen to be a Goth says something about the way she would not like to fit into the realm of "reality", but rather, to strive for things that may seem near impossible. Namely, the way she fights against her parents' ideals in an attempt to maximize her own. (The Superego is the conscience, almost to the point of defying reality and choosing to pursue dreams, goals, and ideals that may no longer be logical or possible).

Now, in the first episode, we see that Sam and Tucker had an argument about Sam changing the lunch menu. Danny had just gotten attacked, and remained relatively silent as his friends stormed angrily out of his room, still arguing about the menu. The next day, Danny finds out that both of them had put together two very opposite protests in one night, and he mentions this in bewilderment. It is then that his two best friends continue their argument, before forcing Danny to choose either side. However, the Lunch Lady ghost attacks again, saving him from the decision.

I think it is important to note this event, because Danny most likely would have remained neutral. Even Sam and Tucker's "identities" play a role in this. Sam can be clearly defined as a "Goth", and Tucker as a "Techno-Geek". They both have an "image" within the school, but Danny is another story.

Danny is the Ego. He is the most moderate, I think, and also the most likely to keep the peace. He does not necessarily have an "image", if "loser" could be called an image. We know he is not popular around school, but his mannerisms, his behavior, and his "image" are all rather average. He wears jeans, a t-shirt, and sneakers, which are pretty normal attire. In "My Brother's Keeper", we see an image of him sitting at the dinner table one night, and he is eating both vegetables and meat, meaning that of his two friends, he has the most normal eating habits. As a "loser", he is generally unnoticed by the whole population of the school, except for those who bully him. He is shy, but willing to stand up for his friends and the people he cares about, as is apparent in his role as Danny Phantom, the hero. Of both of his friends, Danny always seems to be the most moderate, the easiest to embarrass, yet he still has morals. Truly, there may not be any specific trait that sets him apart from the rest of the "human" population; I believe this is why he was given the ghost powers, to make him stand out as the obvious hero of the show. However, as a friend of Tucker's, we often see some of the aspects of "impulse" that come out, such as in his attraction to Paulina.

In fact, that is perhaps the perfect example of the personalities of the group: Sam, the female, is the most logical about Paulina's shallow behavior, aware that "girls like her are a dime a dozen". This takes place in the second episode of the series, where Danny wants to ask Paulina out. While Sam tries to tell the boys her side, Tucker is merely interested in Danny "checking out that book", in reference to asking Paulina out. Tucker, who usually has no reservations when it comes to hitting on girls, is thus the example of impulse in this situation. While Danny also finds Paulina attractive, he is more reserved, stating that he "gets weak-kneed when he tries to talk to cute girls".

Truly, I could go on about this. I could list further examples of dialogue and other episode situations which would further prove my point. However, I think you've gotten an idea of what I mean.

So why did I take the time to write this out? I think it is because even within this seemingly inconsequential "kid's show", we can find deeper aspects of human psychology weaving through the way we write out our stories. Now, we may not necessarily always make the Ego the hero, but it seems to happen more often than not.

I thought it was kind of neat to see how even these characters, created for the audience's enjoyment, can play a role in satisfying the needs of our own psychological natures and inner desires and dreams.

Of course, this is only one section of one psychological theory. There are many more, and may other ways I could explore, but for the sake of time and the length of this journal, I will keep it at that.



Now, if you've actually made it to the end here, first, I want to congratulate you, and thank you for taking the time to read this. I enjoy sharing these kinds of thoughts with others, and I encourage you to think about these things further.

If you have any questions, comments, or other input, please leave a comment!



Thank you!!! :wave:
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isisthesworddancer2 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013
You know I see where you're coming from, Danny always has been what I can describe in TV shows and books as "That guy in the middle" and Tucker and Sam have always been polar opposites throughout the show they need someone to keep them together somehow. Plus, Sam being the logical part makes sense (which is why I never understood the some of the Phans hatred for her) especially in episode 3 how she never told anyone she was filthy stinking rich so she can have real friends and Shades of Grey also proved that when Valerie's dad lost his job and going bankrupted the A-listers kicked her out because of it which was a pretty dick move (excuse my language).     
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TheMagicalGirlSarah Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2013
I agree with you. It's nice to have someone who thinks like I do. 
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isora683 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2013
:D Thanks! ^_^ I'm glad to know there are others out there who may not think I'm completely nuts... XD
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ChibiTogeDoitsu Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013  Student General Artist
Can I ask Kmackkilla80 to read this please? (I'll credit you of coarse).
He reads cartoon conspiracy theories.
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013
Wow, of course! I'd be flattered! Also, if I could get a link if he ends up doing it, that would be great!
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ChibiTogeDoitsu Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2013  Student General Artist
Sure! :D Thank you!
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phanchick Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
I like this i live when phans take the time to c DP as more than just a kids show and see it as for lack of a better word deep because theres a chatacter we all can relate to and also danny could use his powers for anything including selfish things and evilness but insteaf as a 14 year old boy he makes the chlice to put his life on the line despit being a "loser" or a "freak". I also find it ironic not only how he saves people who could care less wbout him and or bully him, but he even contiues to stay a hero once he is labeled "public enemy #1
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2013
It is rather interesting, I think, to analyze that this character had such possibilities. I think that his unassuming nature is rather part of his choices, but it is interesting to think that growing up in a household that always regarded ghosts as evil, he could potentially have seen himself as evil. It may just be that in an effort to prove that he wouldn't become the "evil" thing his parents despise, he wanted to do something good with his powers. However, it is fun too to see him still using them as he would like (namely, the one flashback in reference to when he went into the girl's locker room... Such a boy!)

I think there is a wealth of analysis that I could do for this show... Exploring possibilities and avenues the show did not take, analyzing the possibilities if it WEREN'T a kids' show, etc... But it is so true. Even after Danny is found out in Reality Trip, all he wants is for people to forget... I think it's interesting that he does not actually want the spotlight, and that it is those conflicting traits between his human self and his "hero" self that develop him as a character...
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aozorastage Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012  Student Writer
Somehow I feel like this is one of those eureka! moments you get, complete with the bright light-bulb above your head :lol:

this was very insightful! I've heard about Id, Ego and Superego before and forgot all about it, but I never thought of the DP trio fitting into Freudian Theory like a glove. I mean, I'm really impressed. You're such a deep thinker, aren't you :XD:

Maybe next time I'll watch a heroic movie and see if I can identify the Id, Ego and Superego, hahaha~ :la:
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2012
hahaha Very true! Actually, that's rather how it struck me, and I was surprised it didn't work out that way when I first thought of it in class... XD

:D Thank you so much! *blushes* I like to be analytical... part of being an English major and loving words, I guess... I really do love it. I love to learn, and when I can apply what I learn to the things I love, it only gets better! It also helps me understand WHY I enjoy the things I do a bit more. :D

:D THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! Please, if you do, share your thoughts! I love analyzing things! :D (That is, when I'm not dead dog tired... ^^;)
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aozorastage Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2012  Student Writer
if it did strike you in class, I'm picturing you jumping up and pumping a fist in the air going why didn't I see that earlier? :XD:

you're welcome! I'm also a language person, so this was very interesting :aww:

haha, we'll see~ *has not watched movies in a while* :lol:
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2012
:D hahaha I SERIOUSLY wanted to! Instead, I think I actually shared my thoughts, though I can't remember exactly... I did feel that way, though!

:D WOOT! :highfive: I love meeting other people who love the language thing... XD

:D hahaha I don't see many movies these days either... too much money! XD
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aozorastage Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2012  Student Writer
it definitely would have been quite a sight to see, hahaha~ :giggle:

MOO-YAH! :highfive:

I'm poor and I have no time :XD:
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2012
:D hahaha INDEED!

:rofl: MOO-YAH???? That is so freaking awesome that I cannot even-- :highfive: hahaha

Two peas in a pod we seem to be! ;D
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aozorastage Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2012  Student Writer
YES MOO-YAH. *totally coined that termed like a boss* :dummy:

hahaha yes we are~ :glomp:
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2012
:icondatassplz: LIKE A TOTAL BAWSS!!!

:glomp: Aww, thank you for that! I'm feeling better... and actually considering writing out some ideas... Except I'm not really sure how to go with them... Maybe you could help me out? Of course, they're all DP-related and angsty... *shot*
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Catmaniac8x Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Okay this is really cool, I LOVE reading up on how cartoon characters are analyzed. Kinda gives you a whole new idea of how they work and why there always seems to be trios in series :D

Makes me wonder how something with 2 protagonists would work..I'm assuming they would each get one of the types mixed in with Ego..with the Ego being more or less apparent based on the character..like the lazy impulsive guy would get Id and the neurotic panicky guy would get SuperEgo and their levels of "Ego" would fluctuate based on the situation at hand, but more than likely one of the two would have more Ego to help with the guy who has Id/Ego

..I may or may not be talking about characters of mine that I might of done this to without even thinking of it XD
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
:D Sorry, I realized I hadn't replied to your other comments yet... I've kind of been busy packing...

Anyway! Thank you so much, I'm surprised at how many people have read and seem to enjoy this journal! Even more so because it is long, and, I personally felt, kind of rambly... ^^;

But it's true, isn't it? And that's an interesting point you bring up with the two... and how about a group of four or five? Sometimes it seems to work that way... I wish I could think of some shows or examples of either a 2-person or 4-person protagonist group... I think that naturally, though, we love the number three in general (as we usually seem to do things and like things in threes... Again, no immediate examples jump to mind, but I know it happens!) I would actually really like to see that...

Do you think that your characters in Guardian Ghost kind of have that relationship? I would think so, based on your last comment, and I can kind of see it happening, actually! I mean, I might think of Dave as the Id/Ego mix, and Max as the SuperEgo/Ego mix... (And in order, those are the names of the ghost and the boy, right? I don't want to get them mixed up... ^^;) Perhaps that is why I enjoyed the story so much; sure, there is always a balance with a trio, but when you can split it between two characters, it's almost as though you've now got a slightly more realistic mix because no one consists of only the Ego, the Id, or the Superego. (Take Dave and Max's encounter with that lizard thing, for instance; Dave was completely impulsive with the weapons, but Max... well, needless to say, it was rather appropriate for him to be kind of freaked out; after all, it should be impossible, right???)

I love analyzing it too, because I feel as though I have a better understanding of why I love certain characters, and of course, my favorite character is Danny! I think we are all prone to like the most "balanced" of the group, and in this case, I think that is Danny; maybe he represents sort of the ideal we all strive toward.

... I had another thought process here too, but I can't remember it. Ah well, I'll probably reply back later if I remember. XD



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Catmaniac8x Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
haha yeah you got the names right, and the personalities too :D

I was actually trying to comment in a manner where it was a bit vague about what characters I was speaking of exactly. I have a tendency to obsess over some of my characters to a point where I start feeling narcissistic or obnoxious when I speak of them. Then again I've only known you for a day so I guess it wouldn't of been too bad to mention them directly XD

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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
:D Oh, cool!

^^; Ah, whoops... I can understand that, though... I think that makes sense: when I go TOO into detail for characters, it can also become detrimental to my attempts to develop the character further... So that makes sense to me. Also, I get how speaking about your own characters can feel sort of self-promoting... But it's no worry if your answering questions like mine! Heck, I think you have every right to like your characters and to mention them! :D Of course, I DO think there are limits as well (such as people who try to connect EVERYTHING they say or do to their characters), but in using them as examples or explanations for people like me, it can be incredibly helpful! For instance, I never would have thought about the different character types had you not brought up your characters, and how they are an excellent example of a two-person protagonist team! :D
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PhantomCelebi498 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconiwantitplz: I'll never look at cartoons the same way again....or myself. My Superego is definetly my dominant element. :XD: But I see what you mean completley! This is really awesome how you figured all of this out and made it make sence :D that takes talent and understanding :XD: You have gifts! Gifts I tell you! :w00t:
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
:D hahahaha :iconikrplz: I think it's interesting to understand our psychological breakdown and how it applies to our preferences. Personally, I think my Superego is my dominant side as well, yet I LOVE Danny and his character; I think it is because I tend to like that "balance", and it can kind of represent the desire I have to balance out both parts of myself.

:iconblushingplz: Oh gee, thank you! I... wow. I hadn't really thought of it when I wrote this out, I just wrote what was in my mind... To be honest, I thought I rambled a bit! :D
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PhantomCelebi498 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:XD: you're so welcome! I'm glad you wrote this, it's rare for people to actually write down these things and say them out loud now! :pc: I'm always thinking about deep things like this, but I neve tell anyone :) I swear we have the same oppinion of Danny! :icondannyphantom-plz: :XD:
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2012
:D hahaha Well, mostly because it takes so long to type... But I couldn't just leave it in my brain!!!! I love to share what I learn, and I've had so many amazing conversations and discussions because of it!!! :D

:D Amazing! I would love to hear more about what you think! :D
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PhantomCelebi498 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm glad you didn't! :XD: :typerhappy: the convesations are really fun! I just love having them!
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012
:D hahaha Me too!!! :tighthug:
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PhantomCelebi498 Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Long, meaningfull conversations are one of the reasons I come on dA :XD:
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KittyzKajunz Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So much in-depth character analyzation...:icondizzyplz: :faint:

Seriously, I could never go into something this deep. You have a talent for this kind of stuff. I know I've said it before, but I say it again: you should totally be a TV critic. The TV critics always go this in-depth with the characters and such.

I can understand everything you're talking about, but I could've never come up with it myself. Nice job :)
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
^^; hehehe Sorry if I overwhelmed you... :D

hahaha Thank you so much! I think I could enjoy a job like that... I really do love seeing how my own personality affects my preferences with everything I do. For instance, the fact that I think my Superego may be more dominant probably has something to do with the fact that I kind of stay away from Tucker's character, but cling most to the "balanced" character, Danny, as though it could be a representation of my ideal balance in myself. ^_^

:D Thank you so much! (To be honest, I thought I had rambled, but I'm so glad it made sense!!!)
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PhantomCelebi498 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree, the world of entertainment needs more people with talent like that! :XD:
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Snowshi Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That is so interesting.
I can't believe I hadn't noticed that before...
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
:iconikrplz: I seriously love analyzing things, and maybe I'm just getting too deep into it, but I love it! XD I think it kind of makes sense, anyway... XD
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mimidan Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2012  Student Digital Artist
interestingg :D
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
:D :iconikrplz:
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mimidan Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
si XD
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maraqua90210 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm a huge fan of the inner workings of the mind (or, as most people call it, psychology...) and found this very enjoyable to read and also quite intriguing! It got me thinking about, not only how this applies to Danny Phantom and other published works, but my own works as well. I began thinking of how and where this applied to my own characters in my own writing, and where I could apply in the pieces that lack this kind of structure and window into the mind.

I truly enjoyed this, and would love to see more journals like this from you!
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
Thank you so much! And I know, right? I immediately began thinking about how this could even apply to my own way of thinking, and how my own personality and psychology correlates with my interest in other psychological aspects of what I watch, and which characters I like best. For instance, feeling as though my mind is dominated by the Superego, I tended to like Danny's "balanced" Ego-type character best. I think it may have something to do with my attempts and desire to find the same balance in myself.

I think that going into analyzing the show like this helps me better understand my own connection with the characters and the aspects of the show I like, and I agree with what you've said: it helps me apply it to my own struggles in writing situations and characters.

Thank you so much! I'll try to do them, though sometimes these come as spur-of-the-moment learning ideas, and sometimes I'm just too lazy to type them out... But based on the amazing comments I've gotten in regards to this, I'll definitely try to get some others up if anything else like this comes into my mind! :D
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maraqua90210 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's an interesting thought - to apply it to your own psyche. Personally, I was always more drawn to Tucker's character (the Id, as you said). I think my personality would lean more towards the Ego or Superego... But I'm not entirely sure... I've never been to good at self-analysis... But I do tend to think about things in a more logical manner than an on-the-whim sort of thing...

And, yes, please do write more if you ever get the time/inspiration!
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2012
Self-analyzation can be kind of fun, and I might wonder at the fact that you might be so tied to the Id, whether that is opposite your character (as the Superego seems to be), or because you are the Ego (in which case, you can regulate it anyway...)

:D I will most certainly try! :D
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Pokekinz Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
That was fun to read. Now i feel like Jazz...
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isora683 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012
:iconikrplz: SERIOUSLY! I felt like I was rambling a bit, but it made sense in my head! XD hahaha
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Pokekinz Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
It does make sense. Sometimes rambles do that.
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isora683 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2012
AWESOME! :D
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